infinite zamasu vs jiren

Claiming he destroyed the entire multiverse over a single universe being corrupted just doesn't make sense with how the writers depict the character. Beerus also seemed unconcerned. To add further, it's VERY clear Zamasu is with the multiverse. Zeno's first appearance in the entire series is him checking on Universe 7 and 6's performance. The context for him destroying the 6 universe is just that he was annoyed. Fusion Zamasu was weaker than SSB Vegetto, who was likely inferior to Infinite Zamasu. Beerus also seemed unconcerned. That Goku and friends can change something. We have no proof he even knew about the Stuff in Option 2. 7 comments. The fusion heavily resembles Future Zamasu, yet supplemented with various traits of Goku Black, including Goku Black's height and build. Like I posted above, Beerus and Whis don't seem worried in the slightest. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. We do. It's the conclusion that requires the least assumptions and is far more in line with Zeno's character. Any idea about who else i could ask to comment ? might be stronger than Great Priest. If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you … What's the wiki's stance on why Zeno nuked the whole timeline if Zamasu had only fused with U7 at that point ? And, as established, Zeno does care about the universes and only ever intended on … This thread is archived. Jiren is outright said to be vastly stronger than anyone, it's a pretty easy match with a canon answer, Jiren wins, easily. So it can't be the GoDs and Angels. Bloodlusted. We have no indication that Jiren is even capable of hurting Infinite Zamasu. Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. We also know Angels can accelerate physical development and birth. Zeno wasn't even aware of what happened until Goku pointed it out, so there's no way of him knowing if Zamasu had merged with the universe or multiverse. Well, since Jiren scales above Infinite Zamasu and Beerus is vastly stronger than Post-UIS2 SSB Goku (who pushed Jiren to use more energy) then Beerus and Whis would scale far above Infinite Zamasu and could easily defeat him, potentially. Fusion Zamasu (合体 ザマス, Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. 2-C is more likely than Low 2-C tbh in this case. There are such things as Brane Cosmologies or Meta-Universes. Yeah but Infinite Zamasu only got to Low 2-C output, he never expanded to 2-C which is purely hypothetical. You are indeed where you belong. Gowasu said he was becoming the universe, and after a while he started leaking into the present. What if Jiren crossed paths with Merged Zamasu in Dragon Ball Super? ", Perhaps Zen-Oh sama has expectations. I agree with everything besides “attacking him in the past” since Zamasu was shown spreading to the present, was just him spreading to a alternate timeline, even if he kills little Jiren in that timeline, no effects would have been inflicted upon normal Jiren. Bloodlusted. ", "If a selfish wish had been made, he would have erased everything. Honestly, it feels like there is too many mental gymnastics to justify Zamasu not being 2-C. You have to assume so many things. Hit forced Goku to show his Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken for the first time. Which makes the whole "He might be 2-C" thing even crazier. So this Is to get anime zamasu to 2-C, correct? Because Jiren is a serious fighter who likes to crush his opponent. Posted by 2 years ago. Save changes Preview Cancel. I made my stance clear in the DB discussion thread, it's not at all IC for Zeno to erase an entire multiverse because of a god screwing with mortals. After nearly unfusing, he gained the ability to multiply, requiring Goku to summon Zeno to kill him once and for all. Zen'o wouldn't have just destroyed the entire multiverse if zamasu just fused with one universe. I mean, i don't know much about the whole specifics of how it would affect ratings and tiers but i just find it weird to still say Zeno just didn't care when the tournament of power say otherwise. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! So there is quite a loophole if Zamasu was, I mean Beerus and Whis Sensed Infinite Zamasu and were just like "well, that's a thing.". The Fight that we've all wanted to see, Jiren VS Zamasu from Super Dragon Ball Heroes Episode 9!! If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. Infinite Zamasu wins both rounds. You know jiren and UI goku shook the infinite world of void multiple times. Imma go with an easy stomp for my boy Jiren. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons. Zamasu has no way to defeat Jiren, and I doubt he could have defeated Hit with the power he had before attacking Future U7. He should be 2-C. Yeah I agree. Archived. Zamasu has immortality which makes him almost undefeatable and Black carrying Goku’s potential makes him unstoppable. SSBE Vegeta fought a Jiren who had powered up … So yea Zamasu wins 99.9% of the time. R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku Zamasu merging with the present but not other universes in the past makes no sense. Nothing else. He was not concerned about his own well being with Infinite Zamasu, but with the Tournament of Power his own life was on the line, which is why he was on the edge of his seat, so to speak, during the ToP. Jiren has a larger scaling chain with 2 more "Stomps X character" than GoC and therefore Morgana. Neighboring universes are closer than a whole other timeline, and Zeno destroyed the timeline because he said a world like this must disappear. If it was Anime Fused Zamasu who’s stated to be able to be overwhelmed due to his half Immortality (AKA just intense regen due to fusion with Goku Black who had no Immortality) Fused Zamasu would be dead. The problem is that Jiren was clearly stated to be much stronger than him even in the Casual stage. Beerus was very concerned when he saw how strong Goku and Jiren were getting. Or he just attacks him in the past, but he did seem mentaly damaged during his infinite form so it possible that he doesn't think of doing that, but he is bloodlusted too. So much mental gymnastics and assumptions. JavaScript is disabled. I would say the fight would go something like this. There have been debates that Universes 1-12 are within a shared space-time. Interestingly, the visage of Fused Zamasu that appears is his original, base state, rather than the Super Saiyan Rosé form that Fused Zamasu previously had his body destroyed in. Beerus took note of the phenomena of Zamasu being felt across the timelines. Sonic is a Multiversal threat in his Super Form. Fight takes place in the 7 Universe for whatever reasons, R2: Infinite Zamasu VS Jiren and MUI Goku. Beerus was very concerned when he saw how strong Goku and Jiren were getting. of being the strongest foe at the time, Zamasu would have become much stronger than them if he took ever other universes, but was stopped by Zen'o. I have to stick with Sonic on this one. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And another question, would this make every DBS Low 2-C backscale from the Beerus feat or would Casual Jiren/Weakest GoDs be the baseline of that feat? Casual. Infinite Zamasu was only defeated by Zeno wiping out the time line. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Casual. Two of the strongest antagonists of the DBS series. As the timeline Goku Black originated is the what if timeline if no one had knowledge prior or if Beerus hadn't Hakai'd present Zamasu altogether. And Zeno is heavily implied to be the only one capable ode destroying the entire Macrocosm. Loading editor. Zeno has been stated to made rash decisions like that all the time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Main article: "Future" Trunks Saga After Zamasu eventually gave in to his dark thoughts by killing Gowasu and switching bodies with Goku in the split main timeline, Zamasu was free to execute the main part of the Project Zero Mortals as he wished. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Fusion Zamasu(合体 ザマス,Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union betweenGoku Black(Present Zamasu in Goku's body) andFuture Zamasuthrough the Potara earrings. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. No one from DB can beat IZ other than Zeno. ", A) Because the Destroyers were doing a poor job, B) He wanted to redirect his energy towards the Destroyers doing their jobs properly, Future Zeno saw no more worth in the multiverse. But a Timeline in DB has 12 Universes (Isn't that the reason why Heroes are the strongest 2-Bs? Jiren was stated stonger than Infinite zamasu though and It has been proved. Which one would win in a fight? Not sure where that was ever implied. Jiren and Goku are much stronger individually but there's nothing they can do to kill and eliminate Zamasu who was consuming all of timelines. Quote More History; Done. As I explained, it's extremely OOC for Zeno to destroy the future multiverse unless he was forced to. I'm not understanding the question. And both present and Future timelines are completely separate timelines altogether. That mortals can change. Before that, Fused Zamasu was Goku’s (and Vegeta’s) greatest pain in the neck. Hell, why would he erase his own house for no reason ? Cyro makes sense, I agree with his conclusion. There is a way, they nuke the universe Zamasu resides in, before he gets the chance to spread, but that’s extremely OOC for either of them. Jiren hasn't shown the ability to destroy timelines, which is necessary to completely kill IZ, and he has to do that quickly because zamasu can leak to another timelines super fast. As for the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb thing brought up earlier. Will probably give my thoughts later. Jiren and MUI Goku are stronger than the Infinite Zamasu that was initially encompassing the universe and its space-time due to Jiren statements from Shin/Guidebooks and etc. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. He has Future Zamasu's eye shape, but with dark lines under the bottom eyelids and somewhat smaller ears. I'll still wait for more response and probably the staff's explaination before deciding if a CRT is needed. hide. 100% Upvoted. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. I agree with AKM Sama, and if Zamasu was only merging with Universe 7, then that would imply U7 has its own space-time as it would make no sense for him to be visable in the Present Timeline if he hasn't at least merged with an entire timeline already. Why is Fused Zamasu such a weak Potara Fusion? Zamasu’s suppressed level is far weaker than any level above the gods. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He doesn't care, he was literally playing around in the void. You should ask SSJRYU to comment here as well. Is it about Zeno's tier or is it a plot question? Between both these incredibly powerful warriors , which fighter do YOU believe would be superior over the other in … That only adds to my point. I'll be following this for now. This seems interesting. I remember it being something about Zeno being uncaring but the TOP reveal at the end clearly contradict that (though it happened after the decision was made IIRC). Jiren in his casual state was said to be in a completely different league than Infinite Zamasu (Baseline), UI Goku forced him to use more and more power until … Cookies help us deliver our Services. Basically timelines containing multiple timelines. share. Uhh no it's not OOC as I pointed out just now. Because of his ability to merge with time and space itself (which, admittedly, sounds like something a being of immense power would do) some people have proposed the argument that I.F. I personally find perfectly fine for Infinite Zamasu to be 2-C due to fusing with the whole timeline... but at the same time, I don't feel anyone but Zen O should scale to him on that case, because saying all these characters such as Goku, Jiren and Beerus scaling to being able to destroy the 12 universes sounds EXTREMELY fishy. Great analysis as always @CryoTheMayo ! 4) Lmao alright Reactions: Zamasu_Chan , OneBleachHurricane and ChocomilkAlex In the manga, Infinite Zamasu retains Fused Za… Close. Though if we scale UIO1 Goku to 12 Universes it would sound EXTREMELY fishy, I am neutral on this tbh. 3 Kudos Omegas03. Zamasu fuses to another universes, becomes multi-universal and one shots jiren. ), if he fused with the Timeline then he's 2-C, and There's no reason why Zeno would Erase 12 Universes if Zamasu only fused with one, Yes, I know. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. 3. He possesses Future Zamasu's green skin, gray irises, and white hair; however, his face has more of Goku Black's jawline. The context of him willing to destroy another 8 universes was just his bad sense of judgment and rash decision. About the argument that the characters would be too strong if they could destroy every universe since it's a big thing To everybody. This is been back up, when Krillin “aborted”(TFS Reference) Present cell, but future cell(main antagonist) still lives on. 109-110 Jiren is stated by Shin to be more powerful than anyone they've faced before in the scene with the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb, putting him above Infinite Zamasu, and is currently used to scale characters like SSB Goku (post-2nd Ultra Instinct), SSB Evolution Goku, etc. In the anime, Infinite Zamasu appears as an endless number of Zamasu's face in the sky, however the faces are entirely green other than their mouth and eyes which are reddish white. Jiren vs Fused Zamasu. A heavily suppressed Jiren was stated by both Shin and Vegeta himself to be the strongest person they ever faced. You are using an out of date browser. Goku was convinced he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean. Goku asks Zeno if he should erase Zamasu, Zeno goes "You're right, a world like this shouldn't exist.". I think MUI goku and awakened Jiren have the power to overpower infinite zamasu. Present Zeno isn't that caring either if you think about it. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For now, i don't really see an answer as to why we assume Zeno nuked all the timelines if Zamasu only fused with U7 and Zamasu chan's case in his blog is only made more obvious by how the TOP turned out to be a test of character and even Frost was brough back. So that's actually a 3rd timeline right there. So, based upon my above analysis the only reason for Future Zeno to erase the multiverse arbitarily, is if it was due to Zamasu killing all of the Supreme Kais and GoDs, but we know Zeno can appoint new Gods of Destruction on a whim and we know Supreme Kais can be birthed if required. The context for him destroying the entire Macrocosm posted and votes can not be posted votes! There has to be the gods we have no proof he even knew about the Stuff in Option 2 to... 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